Die Markers For 1964 SmsThe 1964 SMS coins could have also been produced as introductory pieces, possibly even intended to include a 1964-D Peace dollar. eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC. If you believe that every die marker EXACTLY matches the few certified examples and you believe that you have pulled an example from circulation that had previously only been found in a mint director's estate, then your only option is to spend $50-$75 and send it to a major grading company. The bogus "1964 SMS" coins are simply very early strikes off new dies. It is also noted that every half came from one die pair, and every coin has the die markers listed, including the "teardrop" on the numeral "4," which your coin does not have. Coin Forum Die Markers on 1964 SMS Half petescamp Posts: 214 November 1, 2005 6:18AM in U. The proof are 1964 (and other date) pieces in the Smithsonian which are correctly identified. The high watermark for a 1964 SMS Lincoln cent was in January 2019 when an SP67 RD example went for $15,600. If you research the 1964 SMS sets you'll find that all the coins were found in the estate of a former mint director. Moxie15 and Mohawk 1 1 Woods020 Collaborator Member: Seasoned Veteran 2,062 posts Joined: August 29, 2020 Location: Alabama Posted September 19, 2021. The 1964 Special Mint set coins are among the more enigmatic coins produced in the modern era. Edited Lipka states some of the 1964 sms halves were circulation strikes on heritage. The set included a 1964 SMS Kennedy half in MS69 PCGS, the finest graded, and four coins graded MS68 PCGS. Hello lincoln cent forum members. 1964 SMS Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC Questions. They are part of the normal range of coins struck from production dies. It has the markers from the O and G on the obverse,and the die scratches on the reverse. Other SMS coins of the same year are of high value, but none close to this price range. Die Markers: Obverse: A short, vertical die gouge can be found to the right of the 1 in the date. 1964 SMS Kennedy Half Dollar One of the rarest coins to ever come to auction was a shocking 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar graded SP68 by PCGS. The consecutively numbered 1964 SMS set (numbers 10132706-10132710) included a Lincoln cent MS68 Red PCGS, one of two so graded; Jefferson nickel MS68 Full Steps PCGS, one of six submissions; Roosevelt dime MS68 PCGS, one of three; Washington quarter MS68 PCGS, the only one so graded; and a Kennedy half MS69 PCGS, the sole finest at PCGS. Not even one of the 1964 SMS coins were just plucked from roll stock. 1964 1¢ Pr WDDR-002 "Best Of" Variety Description: A strong CW spread from a pivot at 10:00 shows on AMERICA, the designer’s initials, the lower right Memorial building, and the letters of ONE CENT. However, the dime, quarter, and half dollar in the 1964 SMS sets are made of 90% silver, yet the 1965-67 SMS sets contain a 40% silver Kennedy half and clad dime and quarter. 1964 SMS Kennedy Half MS67 PCGS. You can see on the reverse it has the downhill …. - Coin Community Forum Home Member CCF Sales Member eBay Sales New Posts Search Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins? Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now! All Forums Category: US Coins and Currency Forums Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins. "SMS Lincoln cents is characterized by a nice, smooth, satin-like finish. This SMS finish 1964 Kennedy half dollar graded Specimen 67 by Professional Coin Grading Service brought $87,187. This situation happens hundreds of times every year and is entirely NORMAL. Stage A Photos Pointed Leaf at Arrow Points Serif on N of UNUM Strong Inner Left Wing Eagle's Right Wing Strong Tail Feathers Eagle's Left Wing UNITED Mintmark. population reports from the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) and Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) reflect far more than a twelve person specimens. It is also noted that every half came from one die pair, and every coin has the die markers. All 1964 SMS half dollars show various die markers that identify a single die pair. SMS sets wer5e issued only in 1965, 1966 and 1967. 1964 Philadelphia penny (no mintmark) – 2,648,575,000 (2. Hi there is the 1964 sms half dollar the only half dollar with a die mark between the F and the A on the reverse of half dollar Buster move Bustermove Joined: 27-Nov-2020 Posts: 100 Posted: 24-Apr-2021, 18:21 The reason I ask is I have got this die mark but none of the other die marks would really appreciate your feedback Buster move. A well known dealer was believed to have acquired all of them in the early 90's and they started showing up in auctions and many (all???) were sent to TPGs and slabbed. 1964-D penny (Denver) – 3,799,071,500 (about 3. I did not get this coin in circulation. Its not mirror like,more like a satin finish. There are no 1964 SMS coins of any denomination. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a “ dangling 4 ”. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a " dangling 4 ". Die Markers on 1964 SMS Half — Collectors Universe Home U. There are many different theories on why the 1964 SMS coins were produced. Specimen-68 (PCGS). Rare and Intriguing 1964 SMS Kennedy Half Dollar Among the Finest Known to PCGS 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar. This diagnostic is a tiny, teardrop shaped piece of metal that. Mint Director Eva Adams, who helped introduce Kennedy half-dollar in January 1964. What Kurt said, but also, these features on the die will not produce errors, they are just markers of the die state (sometimes a significant marker produces a variety). This SMS finish 1964 Kennedy half dollar graded Specimen 67 by Professional Coin Grading Service brought $87,187. The special finish of 1964 SMS coins is characterized by a nice, smooth, satin-like appearance. The individual Kennedy half dollars bring the highest. And i was just wondering if anyone here could possibly tell if the die markers on the 1964 Lincoln cent that I have is in the same location of that on the 1964 sms lincoln cent in these two photos ????. The edges for most 1964 SMS coins also tend to be square and sharp. 1964 Philadelphia penny (no mintmark) – 2,648,575,000 (2. Reported by: Bill Fivaz Comments: This design was created for the clad quarter production. SMS Sunday: 1964 SMS Kennedy Half Dollar PCGS SP67, Only About A Dozen Known - Coin Community Forum Home Member CCF Sales Member eBay Sales New Posts This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running. Compare with the documented piece in the Smithsonian. 1964 proof. 1969-S Doubled Die Cent. One of the key diagnostic die markers is on the obverse in the form of the "Dangling 4": a small but clearly defined protrusion/defect hanging from the tip of the right crossbar in the 4 in the date. Unless you acquired these from the estate or from upper level mint personnel it is extremely unlikely you have them. These coins probably belonged to former U. For Sale: 1964 Thailand 20 Baht Lot Of 5 At Melt 1959 Silver Penny Unknown For Sale: 1964 Morway 10 Kroner Lot Of 5 At Melt For Sale: 1952 Macau 5 Patacas Lot Of 5 At Melt Found 200x Nickel Blank On One Side. 6 billion) minted; 10 to 25+ cents 1964-D penny (Denver mintmark under the date) – 3,799,071,500 (about 3. The coins show heavy die polishing lines, visible in many cases to the naked eye. The bogus "1964 SMS" coins are simply very early strikes off new dies. No, what he is actually saying is that some of the half dollars that were included. My father collected all of these. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a “ dangling 4 ”. Technical description of die markers and polish lines like Heritage usually does with important coins like this causes me to consider equally important detractors that should be me. No "Special Mint Set" (SMS) coins were made in 1964. Help 1930-S Standing Liberty Quarter 2023 Classic Mint Set Commems Collection: 1892-93 World's Columbian Exposition - Sunday Controversy. The special finish for the 1964 SMS Lincoln cents is characterized by a nice, smooth, satin-like finish. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS. What reason would there be to melt 1964-D half dollar SMS coins? There is none. 8 billion) minted; 10 to 25+ cents. Posted April 6, 2019 I have a 64 proof set, a 1965 sms set, then I have a 1964 proof nickel graded by igs pr-70. The bogus "1964 SMS" coins are simply very early strikes off new dies. the 1964 SMS issues had a different type of die preparation which left very noticeable polishing lines in the fields, they are clearly visible in pictures and to the naked eye. edges for most 1964 SMS coins also tend to be square and sharp bust and legends are usually highly detailed and sharp surfaces are non-reflective compared to proof coins of the era are not the same finish as regular issue coins from the same year The best methods for comparison here is not photos. Die Markers Obverse –Every example of the half dollar we have seen except the MS69 example shown under “Finest. Compare with the documented piece in the. You can see on the reverse it has the. All SMS 1964 Kennedy half dollars were struck from a single pair of dies. When I compare the igs graded nickel with the proof set counterpart and the 65 sms its is a different nickel. The odds that you have the discovery coin is almost zero. The fields are usually well struck, very clean and tend to come without any major nicks or scratches. A die is a specialized machine tool used in manufacturing industries to cut and/or form material to a desired shape or profile. 6 billion) minted; 10 to 25+ cents. Die Markers: Obverse: A die gouge can be found on the center of Lincoln’s right shoulder. Possible 1964 SMS Half Dollar - Coin Community Forum Home Member CCF Sales Member eBay Sales New Posts Unanswered Search Tutorials FAQ Rules This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running. The first of these coins appeared as lot 591 in our (Stack's) June 1991 sale in a coin set that included the cent, nickel, dime, and quarter, all with the same distinctive finish: AN UNUSUAL 1964 'P' SET 1964'P' Cent through Half Dollar. Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins? Our coin forum is completely free!. Possible 1964 SMS Half Dollar - Coin Community Forum Home Member CCF Sales Member eBay Sales New Posts Unanswered Search Tutorials FAQ Rules This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running. I have the exact same polished die mark from F to A is the sms 1964 half dollar the only coin to have this if any one knows Buster move rsirian1 Joined: 20-Nov-2020 Posts: 3837 Posted: 25-Apr-2021, 01:45 To the best of my knowledge, this particular mark is only found on the rare SMS coins. Die Markers on 1964 SMS Half — Collectors Universe Home U. If you suspect that you have a different 1964-D Washington quarter working die with the Type C reverse, we would like to hear from you to document the die markers. Die Markers: Reverse. Interesting lot currently up for bid at Heritage Long Beach auction: A 1964 Kennedy SMS and described as PCGS MS 67. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a “ dangling 4 ”. All SMS 1964 Kennedy half dollars were struck from a single pair of dies. The special finish of 1964 SMS coins is characterized by a nice, smooth, satin-like appearance. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half-dollar is known as a “dangling 4” where a teardrop shaped piece of metal can be seen below the 4 digit in the coin’s date. COINS US Coins ‘SMS’ 1964 Kennedy half dollars high at auctions two weeks apart By Steve Roach Published: May 25, 2019, 6 AM This SMS finish 1964 Kennedy half dollar graded. Look at the PCGS price guides for the 1964 sms coins of all denominations, penny - nickel -- dime -- quarter -- and half dollar. Merkin died on July 26, 1992. I have the exact same polished die mark from F to A is the sms 1964 half dollar the only coin to have this if any one knows Buster move rsirian1 Joined: 20-Nov-2020 Posts: 3837 Posted: 25-Apr-2021, 01:45 To the best of my knowledge, this particular mark is only found on the rare SMS coins. 00 AUCTION RECORD Auction Details PCGS Set Registry This coin is currently in the Set Registry inventory of DLH and is featured in one or more sets, including D. If my coin is a proof 1964. The 1964 Special Strike Jefferson Nickels usually display an extremely sharp strike, as well as having sharp and square edge rims. Rare and Intriguing 1964 SMS Kennedy Half Dollar Among the Finest Known to PCGS 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar. One of the key diagnostic die markers is on the obverse in the form of the "Dangling 4": a small but clearly defined protrusion/defect hanging from the tip of the right crossbar in the 4 in the date. Some of these population figures may be inflated since some. These coins could have been produced as prototypes for the 1965 to 1967 SMS coins. Your coin does not match the markers for the SMS coin. 50 May 12 at a GreatCollections online auction. No "Special Mint Set" (SMS) coins were made in 1964. And i was just wondering if anyone here could possibly tell if the die markers on the 1964 Lincoln cent that I have is in the same location of that on the 1964 sms lincoln cent in these two photos ???? You see I'm having a very hard time identifying the markers that they are pointing out with arrows on their photo but the markers on my coin. Another crucial die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a dangling 4. edges for most 1964 SMS coins also tend to be square and sharp bust and legends are usually highly detailed and sharp surfaces are non-reflective compared to proof coins of the era are not the same finish as regular issue coins from the same year The best methods for comparison here is not photos. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS half dollar lacks the "Dangling 4" marker. Like molds, dies are generally customized to the item they are. There are many different theories on why the 1964 SMS coins were produced. The 1964 SMS coins could have also been. The coins falsely called "SMS" are merely early strikes off new dies. Roger is correct about the 1964 so-called SMS (NGC labels them as Specimen) coins being similar to the early, sharp strikes sent by the Mint to the Smithsonian's National Numismatic Collection for several years from the 1950s until the '70s. Another crucial die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a dangling 4. Sources that we consider reliable have confirmed, however, that the 1964 SMS coins offered via Stack's were from New York coin dealer Lester Merkin or his estate. Helena 1£ Silver Cobra For Sale: 2005 Silver 11-Coin And 2006 Silver 10-Coin Proof Sets - Selling Here Only For Sale: Damaged 1870 2 Cent Piece, "we" Shows & Broadstruck 1999 Cent For Sale: Sterling Silver Below Melt Coin. In the case of the 1964 SMS Kennedy halves (save for #11 in the roster below, possibly from a different die state), the die polishing is multidirectional (it is more uniform on the 1964 SMS Lincoln cents, for example), and all 1964 SMS half dollars show various die markers that identify a single die pair. Then why do the markers from my coin match up with the 1964 sms. There really aren't any specific die markers - unless you count a "HOLY CRAP!" strike as a die marker. The individual Kennedy half dollars bring the highest prices, with the MS-67 SMS example shown. The surfaces feature a Satin like appearance. What reason would there be to melt 1964-D half dollar SMS coins? There is none. Die Markers Obverse –Every example of the half dollar we have seen except the MS69 example shown under “Finest. And as Sully said, they didn't make them in Denver anyway. However, the dime, quarter, and half dollar in the 1964 SMS sets are made of 90% silver, yet the 1965-67 SMS sets contain a 40% silver Kennedy half and clad dime and quarter. There are many different theories on why the 1964 SMS coins were produced. 1964-D 25¢ WTRD-001 Description: 1965 reverse design on a 1964-D Washington quarter. Roger is correct about the 1964 so-called SMS (NGC labels them as Specimen) coins being similar to the early, sharp strikes sent by the Mint to the Smithsonian's National Numismatic Collection for several years from the 1950s until the '70s. For Sale: 1964 Thailand 20 Baht Lot Of 5 At Melt 1959 Silver Penny Unknown For Sale: 1964 Morway 10 Kroner Lot Of 5 At Melt For Sale: 1952 Macau 5 Patacas Lot Of 5 At Melt Found 200x Nickel Blank On One Side. An especially heavy die polishing line runs from the bottom right tip of the small middle serif in (O)F to A (MERICA). I have the exact same polished die mark from F to A is the sms 1964 half dollar the only coin to have this if any one knows Buster move rsirian1 Joined: 20-Nov-2020 Posts: 3837 Posted: 25-Apr-2021, 01:45 To the best of my knowledge, this particular mark is only found on the rare SMS coins. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS half dollar lacks the "Dangling 4" marker. (I also have a igs graded 64 proof penny and dime). 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar Possible SMS - Coin Community Forum Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now! All Forums Category: US Coins and Currency Forums Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar Possible SMS To participate in the forum you must log in or register. All 1964 SMS coins were found in the estate of a former mint director in the late 80s. 8 billion) minted; 10 to 25+ cents 1964 proof penny – 3,950,762 minted; $1+ 1964 SMS penny (special mint set) – approximately 30 estimated to be minted; $5,000+. (It's actually 0, but I'm not going to say it. The coins falsely called "SMS" are merely early strikes off new dies. It has the markers from the O and G on the obverse,and the die scratches on the reverse. Heavy die polishing marks almost look like fingerprints on the obverse. If my coin is a proof 1964. Then why do the markers from my coin match up with the 1964 sms. Please see the press release also on the site where we brokered the sale of the finest known 1964 SMS set, five coins all certified by PCGS, for a world record of $151,200. If you suspect that you have a different 1964-D Washington quarter working die with the Type C reverse, we would like to hear from you to document the die markers. someone in a facebook group had asked me if they had the Bombay hook 006 because it didn't have the die chip near beak but it was obviously the 006. Another crucial die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar is known as a dangling 4. Hello lincoln cent forum members. What the OP is referring to are die markers, or "pick up points" for specific varieties. The 1964 SMS coins display incredible sharpness, even surpassing that of proofs in many cases, but the surfaces are satiny rather than prooflike. PS: Here's an image of one: Russ, NCNE. 1964-D 25¢ WTRD-001 Description: 1965 reverse design on a 1964-D Washington quarter. Die Markers: Reverse. The 1964 Special Mint set coins are among the more enigmatic coins produced in the modern era. The 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar die markers readily confirm the identity of known examples: Reverse. edges for most 1964 SMS coins also tend to be square and sharp bust and legends are usually highly detailed and sharp surfaces are non-reflective compared to proof coins of the era are not the same finish as regular issue coins from the same year The best methods for comparison here is not photos. Then why do the markers from my coin match up with the 1964 sms. These coins could have been produced as prototypes for the 1965 to 1967 SMS coins. The only coins that are considered as 1964 SMS coins are the handful of coins that came from the mint director's (in 1964) personal collection. 1964-D RDV-003, Die 1 Description: A RDV-003 was used to produce 1964-D silver quarters. Die Markers: Obverse: A short, vertical die gouge can be found to the right of the 1 in the date. There is no evidence that any were released to the public. The 1964 SMS coins display incredible sharpness, even surpassing that of proofs in many cases, but the surfaces are satiny rather than prooflike. 1964 SMS Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC Questions. For Sale: Silver Eagles, 40% Silver Kennedy's And 50 Pence For Sale: 2023 Tuvalu Proof Baby Rabbit Colorized Perth Mint 1/2 Oz Ag 50 Cents For Sale: 20 American Silver Eagles For Sale: Panama Silver - 10 Coins!. A 1964 Kennedy SMS and described as PCGS MS 67. Another important die marker on the 1964 SMS Kennedy half-dollar is known as a “dangling 4” where a teardrop shaped piece of metal can be seen below the 4 digit in the coin’s date. Technical description of die markers and polish lines like Heritage usually does with important coins like this causes me to consider equally important detractors that should be mentioned but rarely are. the 1964 SMS issues had a different type of die preparation which left very noticeable polishing lines in the fields, they are clearly visible in pictures and to the naked eye. The 1964 SMS coins could have also been produced as introductory pieces, possibly even intended to include a 1964-D Peace dollar. Coin Forum Anyone have any info or links on these??? pjlcoins on ebay Russ Posts: 49,419 November 1, 2005 6:29AM There really aren't any specific die markers - unless you count a "HOLY CRAP!". Currently the PCGS Population report shows 22 Lincoln cents, 18 Jefferson nickels, 22 dimes and 28 Kennedy half dollars graded as 1964 SMS. I have the exact same polished die mark from F to A is the sms 1964 half dollar the only coin to have this if any one knows. Possible 1964 SMS Half Dollar - Coin Community Forum Home Member CCF Sales Member eBay Sales New Posts Unanswered Search Tutorials FAQ Rules This page may contain links that result in. The 1964 SMS coins display incredible sharpness, even surpassing that of proofs in many cases, but the surfaces are satiny rather than prooflike. By Steven Roach. other members, especially Georgio(I think), are quite familair with them since he collected them. Posted April 6, 2019 I have a 64 proof set, a 1965 sms set, then I have a 1964 proof nickel graded by igs pr-70. Type 1, Silver 1964 50C SMS 2022-S 50C Silver, DCAM 1998-S 50C SMS SP Cameo Deep Cameo 1964 50C SMS (Special Strike) Series: (None) PCGS SP68 View More Images PCGS SP67+ PCGS SP67+ PCGS #:. Stamping dies are used with a press, [1] as opposed to drawing dies (used in the manufacture of wire) and casting dies (used in molding) which are not. 1964 SMS SP Item Detail 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar. A 1964 Kennedy SMS and described as PCGS MS 67. However, the coins are not circulation strikes, nor are they proofs, hence, the coins are referred to as Special Strikes. The coins show heavy die polishing lines, visible in many cases to the naked eye. The final bid for this ultra-rare coin was $156,000. The most recent auction record for an SP66 is from January 2010, where a specimen. The silver 1964 SMS. The 1964 SMS coins could have also been produced as introductory pieces, possibly even intended to include a 1964-D Peace dollar. It was put away for a very long time. For Sale: 1930-1958 Cents In Littleton Folder Sold: 2019 20 Silver Eagles In Original Tube For Sale: 1993 Mexico 20 Pesos Bi-Metallic Silver BU Coin For Sale: 2022 St. 1964 SMS SP Item Detail 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar. They were acquired by a prominent dealer and subsequently sold. To the best of my knowledge, this. Original Lot at Stack's Bowers Lot # 5231 Grade SP68 Sale Price $156,000. This diagnostic is a tiny, teardrop shaped piece of metal that descends below the 4 digit in the. Lipka states some of the 1964 sms halves were circulation strikes on heritage.